Tramadol & Talwin

 

NARCOTIC ANTAGONISTS: ULTRAM AND TALWIN - DRUGS OF DANGER

By Bill Landis

 

            Certain tablets cannot be combined with any measure of safety with gear or other narcotics – either as a complement, potentiator, or as an aid to withdrawal.

 

            On the top of the list is Tramadol.  This chemical is known as Ultram in the USA in its 50mg pure version and Ultracet in its 37.5mg plus Tylenol (paracematol).  In Europe – particularly through its Spanish manufacturer – it is known as Aldonto in a time release form that contains from 150 to 300mg of Tramadol.

 

            To an intolerant person, Tramadol is capable of causing nausea, heartburn, inability to stand straight without a “drunk” or even seizure like feelings.  Garbageheads call it the “universal potentiator” and mix it with their pain tablets like Vicodin.  What this is really doing is canceling the high from the Vicodin.

 

            50mg of Tramadol supposedly offers the analgesia equivalent of 60mg of Codeine.  Doctors who are adverse to giving controlled substances are big on pushing samples or prescriptions of this dangerous rubbish to patients.  When it was originally released in 1997, samples filled doctors’ offices and samples of Ultracet are still present.  If you are ever offered it, refuse it immediately, if questioned why, say that it made you violently ill.

 

            Tramadol will not help a chronic pain patient whose metabolism is set for narcotics (it can act as a trigger to turkeying) and is an absolute disaster for use during turkeying, as it can bring on withdrawal symptoms full force.

 

            Tramadol in any of its forms – Ultram, Ultracet, Aldonto – is to be completely avoided by narcotically inclined individuals.  Yet some individuals take a liking to the drug, including one New Jersey woman who had to be hospitalized after ingesting approximately 30 Ultram tablets a day she had obtained through internet drug companies.

 

Tramadol products also pose a serious risk to patients receiving garden variety SSRI’s (so popular today and so, so negative for so many), including Paxil, Zoloft, Lexipro, Celexa or Prozac.  A seizure can result, as it can with commonplace over the counter cough remedies containing DM.  Doctors trying to push patients away from narcotics with this “new thing” they claim is equipotent to codeine will not educate their patients about these hazardous.  Another advantage for these sort of worthless doctors in the States is that Tramadol products are simple Rx’s, not considered any form of controlled substance.

 

            A predecessor of the narcotic antagonist used as a painkiller was Talwin (pentocizine).  Pure Talwin comes in small yellow 50mg tablets; when crushing and snorting one, the sensation and taste initially feel like gear but what results is a dissociative feeling at best.  You have to wait until the Talwin wears off until any narcotics are ingested, otherwise they will be cancelled out.

 

            Talwin was originally given to middle aged drunks for dental procedures in the 1960s and has sort of a drunken feeling to it.  Originally the 50mg tablets were injectable when crushed and cooked, and the drug was also available in an intravenous solution.  Actor Peter Lawford was a huge fan of Talwin, with one of his wives discovering a huge stash of the drug accompanied by boxes of syringes.  “T’s and B’s” were an intravenous street combination mixing Talwin with an antihistamine that was popular in the 1960s.  Eventually filler and a further antagonist was compounded with Talwin, and it’s known as Talwin NX.

 

            Talacen is 25mg of Talwin combined with Tylenol (paracematol).  If one has been on a run of narcotics and ingests this tablet, it will at first give a bit of the drunken and disoriented feel, giving way to the kind of sadness narcotics users associate with early stages of turkeying.

 

            Best to avoid all of these combinations.  The narcotic antagonist Natrexone referred to on this Brown Addict site is used in totally different capacity – to act as blocker for narcotics addicts to get better.  Drugs like Talwin or Ultram can only make the situation worse.

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Last updated: 22 September 2004